Interesting… My memory is fuzzy, so I can’t remember. Does Joffrey ever order the Hound to hit Sansa at some point and he outright refuses? Or does he just never hit her because Joffrey never asks? I THINK I remember Joffrey asking Sandor to hit Sansa, but he sidesteps the issue, maybe?
I want to know this too, I don’t remember!
He orders the Hound only once, but before he can respond, Dontos jumps in and says, “No, I’ll do it!” and whacks her with the melon (to spare her the Hound’s fury, I guess?). And then he has Ser Meryn beat/strip her.
ETA: Durrr, the actual answer is, no, this is the only time he asks.
But doesn’t Sansa remark on how Sandor never comes to beat her before we meet Dontos?
I’m just wondering how Sandor managed that (I’m guessing that he likes not having to beat Sansa of course).
My ~working theory~ is that in Joffrey’s twisted little mind, Sansa was still a highborn lady and thus she deserved to have his legit knights beat her instead of the non-knight Sandor. IDK THOUGH.
And now the rains weep o’er his hall, with not a soul to hear.
Plus I just really want to see some SanSan action…
Rory McCann is 43 and Sophie Turner is 16. Sandor will still be, presumably, drunk and violent and terrifying, and Sansa, presumably, powerless and terrified. In what way would that not be even more creepy and messed up and unacceptable than it would be in the books?
I can’t with this fandom.
Oh. My least favourite thing.
Kill me now, please. I think that before season 2 airs, I’m going to need to stop being lazy and acquire tumblr savior so I can save myself from the inevitable flood of SanSan gifsets.
According to 4chan users, in Winds of Winter, Sandor Clegane is going to
1) Find the Just Maid (an unbeatable sword given as a token of true love)
2) Become a true holy knight like out of Sansa’s songs
3) Prove himself a true knight by slaying one of Daenerys’ dragons
4) Prove himself a true knight by slaying Frankengregor
5) Have Sansa fall for him
6) Hang out with Jaime and Brienne forever
I have no idea where the Just Maid thing came from, but it’s kind of cute? idkkkk
If you want to read all the posts, I copy/pasted them under the cut.
Holy shit… how are these theories actual things?
Also, note to self: 4chan does not like powerful teenaged girls with autonomy or dragons.
UUUUUUUUUUUUGH. FANDOM HAS MADE ME HATE SANDOR.
Also, like idk if it’s my prejudiced hate for him, but I just don’t think he’s as important to the larger story as a lot of other people do. Maybe it’s just my wishful thinking, but why can’t he just stay on the island for the rest of the series or until the very end when he can make a brief appearance to kill Gregor and then go back to his monastery?
It is so interesting to me that Sansa would root for the Hound and not Ser Jaime (the knight incarnate) here. And you can tell that Sansa is rooting for the Hound, too (not just making an idle comment) because she gasps when the Hound is nearly unhorsed at the first pass. Ned describes Sansa as watching this particular joust “all moist-eyed and eager” and “so engrossed she scarcely seemed to notice his arrival.”
Okay this got super long so the rest is under the read more!
(Spoilers for the first four books.)
YES GOOD. These are good thoughts about Sansa and Sandor. A lot of people say that the Hound wakes Sansa up from her dreamy romantic view of the world which… kind of true? But also mostly not true. SHE STILL ROMANTICIZES HIM. He’s just not cast in the role of the Good and Handsome Knight. He’s the Tragic Hero. But like the meta says, when she’s face to face with him, he kind of blows that image out of the water. But then once they’re separated again, Sansa constructs this idealized version of him and can do things like imagining he kissed her that one time.
Preeeeetty sure breaking into someone’s room with the intent of raping them counts as an ulterior motive.
Look, all the big Sansa ships (Sandor, Petyr, the dreaded Tyrion) have some freakyweird shit in them. That’s okay. Listen, you’re allowed to ship problematic shit. Because these are not actually real people, so you’re not wishing terrible things on a real person. So it’s okay to ship things that’d in the normal real world scope of things would get people arrested. It’s fine. Really. It’s fine.
But of the big three Sansa ships, no one morally superior. Please don’t pretend one is better than the other. They’ve all got weird, creepy, problematic shit in them. And that’s okay, but I’d really gosh darn prefer it if you acknowledged that fact instead of trying to justify it.
Eh. I’d argue that Sandor is drawn to Sansa because of what she represents as an ideal and not who she is as a person. He constantly refers to her as a little bird and frames her as being this sweet, delicate, little helpless thing, trapped in a cage. I mean, there is an interesting parallel in how Sandor is key to tearing down Sansa’s romantic ideals, but it seems like Sansa is only reinforcing Sandor’s.
Not that Petyr has a healthy view of Sansa either. lol. Basically Sansa needs to get away from all the shady assholes in her life.
I have many issues with Sansa being shipped with Littlefinger, Sandor, or Tyrion for a lot of reasons. The first one is age difference, which lends itself to a power imbalance. Sansa is a Lannister hostage. Littlefinger manipulates her and frames her for Joffrey’s murder. Sansa is frightened by the Hound yet strangely, while she is King’s Landing she speaks the truth the most around him. And with Tyrion, she’s forced to marry him.
Sandor is a scary guy. He’s aggressive, angry, and threatening to Sansa. He interacts with Sansa in all of her chapters in ACOK and IIRC, she thinks about him in all of her chapters in ASOS and AFFC. He’s made an impression. He tries to tear down her idealistic view of the world - one that’s based on the songs she loves and the innocence she has. He’s drunk about her, he comments on her developing body - throughout the series, Sansa is subjected to the leering and sexually suggestive words and actions of grown men.
Sansa/Sandor is interesting from the character development view point. She seems to think of him as a protector and compares men in ASOS and AFFC to him. When she does this, she almost always thinks about his fierceness or physical prowess. As to the unkiss, Sansa has had memory issues before (ex: concentrating on not thinking about Arya and Jeyne Poole and the Nymeria incident. Sansa seems to have convinced herself that Arya was the only one of blame for Lady’s death) and my interpretation is that she is romanticizing the Hound. He protected her! He saved her from the mob! He kissed me and tried to take me away!
Sandor has issues, some which he may be working out on the Quiet Isle. But I do not want him to have a relationship with Sansa. He only wants to tear her viewpoint down violently and harshly. He also plays a role in the parallel narratives with Sansa and Arya (he tries to protect them both, saves Sansa from the mob, Arya from the RW, leaves their narrative as their interactions reach their end, etc). I’m positive he has some role to play in TWOW with Sansa’s storyline (Quiet Isle is close to the Vale) and he may break the Alayne persona. But shipping Sansa/Sandor? Hmmmmm it’s weird and creepy and there’s a power discrepancy (he is part of the Lannister force holding her captive, is over half her age, physically stronger, etc).
Unfortunately, Sansa’s shipping picks seem to limited to older, emotionally scarred men who project their fantasies or problems on her (Tyrion: the perfect pretty wife, Littlefinger: Cat + game of thrones knowledge!, Sandor: hatred of “true knights”, songs). We don’t know a whole lot about Harry, but I don’t think he’s going to be a great guy. Aegon may be a possibility but his whole storyline can’t be predicted at this point.
There are a LOT of things I agree with in this post. I find the power imbalance in Sansa/Sandor really disconcerting, and even though Sandor supposedly is there to show Sansa that life isn’t a song… she still romanticizes their encounters.
Right now, I am really intrigued by the idea of Aegon/Sansa and I will always have a soft spot for Jon/Sansa.